How were you able to trade a $700 Saint for a $1700 DDM4V9? The stock is BCM Gunfighter Mod O, and the trigger guard and grip also are from Bravo Company. Just my experiences and I could be wrong. Same as new colts they not a all.out colt mixed parts from tons different companies le6920 best true for colt am.saying the Springfield has had mich good stuff as any ar these days for less ok ar 15 all or same no diff in lower if it's a 7075 upper or lower they all made same specs only finesh quality build on some or better one company mades 8 diff uppers lowers for lots only name sake on them far as Springfield being old school made ever new colts or not same as. With both guns, all groups were right around 1.5-inches again, at 50-yards, with iron sightsI think with more practice, I could shrink those groups down a bit more. Surprisingly despite my rather diverse collection I have yet to get my hands on one. It is possible to head for the range and give it a spin just as it comes out of the box. Let me add that before I ordered the gun, while I waited, and during the time between receiving it and actually shooting; I watched dozens of YouTube videos of how the Saint jams up- Especially that guy that made a three part video about his issues with the Saint and SA. The handle for this model, where did you find it at? Years ago, uncle Sam showed me how to shoot first an M1, then the M14, then the AR, but because of the shortage, Ive gone from a .30 to a 223/556, then to a .22 [rimfire]. I had a squib stuck in the barrel, because only a small amount of powder worked. One more thing you dont have to buy, but would otherwise! The Ruger AR-556 has a cold hammer-forged barrel that a Sport II does not have. Load dummy rounds occasionally for my wifes 9mm Sig so she will have to respond to that situation. And, if you want to make some changes to personalize either of these guns, you have a perfect base to start from. But that will give you a good indication of the price . Components are definitely the issue. Keep in mind, $739 is a recommended retail price from the manufacturers. Some names that have entry level ARs with decent reputations, are DPMS, Stag Arms, Smith & Wesson, and if you watch to find them on sale you can get Bushmaster and Rock River for less than 800. We closed out the gun and ammo corner in our trading post in December ,dropped the license , as of 1 January , sold over a million rounds of ammo in one week ,two weeks to sell out over 200 bang sticks ,and no we didnt gouge the prices ,,,could have sold for much more but wanted it all out there in folks hands ,,wish we had had more of the CMMG 22 lr conversion , Let me add that loading the PMAG that came with the gun felt loose and not that solid but when I loaded the 2nd purchased POMAG it felt much better. What is new about it, though, is that they got it right. While the Saint is chambered for the 5.56mm round, it will also accept .223 Remington (like all other 5.56mm rifles). I'm happy with it, it's a good little rifle. With about a 6.25 lb trigger pull, the Saint is a bit better than the standard entry-level AR-15 that normally rocks the infamous MilSpec AR trigger. c/o P.O. The ammunition situation is getting tougher to find most calibers and the price at one small town shop for a box of 9mm was 45 dollars for a box of 50. I am pretty well known as a huge DIY AR-15 advocate, and also for some of the full-custom projects Ive been either responsible for or associated with. It worksso no complaints in that department. I've talked to some people who love the Ruger but some that said they've had a lot of problems with it. Capacity: 30+1-Round Cartridge: 5.56 mm NATO Front Sight: None Length: 32.25-35.8 Magazine Included: 1 x 30-Round Magazine Type: Removable Muzzle: Flash Suppressor Rear Sight: None Stock Material: Polymer Weight: 6.28 lbs Made in the USA Features We are in for some difficult times in the future (at least it seems so). Symptoms of excessive pressure are well known: extraction and/or feeding issues and general battering of the gun and its cartridge cases. When they announced that they were making an AR-type rifle, every gun enthusiast was ecstatic. As with any AR-15 style rifle, the furniture is fully replaceable. But I do LOVE to shoot. H Allen Davis Recipe of the Week: Chopped Beef En Casserole, Preparedness Notes for Monday January 11, 2021. Keep in mind that when were talking about AR-15s were talking about piecesparts more than we are a whole package. This feels different from the last scare after obama was elected. Feels great, looks fantastic (i have the earth tone and love it), has a really nice crisp trigger for stock, and its never malfunctioned. For my malfunction testing, I loaded all the magazines with Black Hills Ammunition 55-gr FMJ ammo. No big deal since I will likely buy 4-5 more mags. We'll only use the information provided according to our privacy policy. When I first started preparedness, I thought to go with the most common LEO but larger cartridge, so got the G22. No Comments on Springfield Saint vs Ruger AR-556 vs S&W M&P15 Sport II Unboxing the James River Armory M14 WATCH: Idiot Tries to Rob Car Spa with Slide Locked Back by KIMBER PEARCE Leave a Reply Find the best options for the range and home defense in our Best AR-15 Ammo review! I am interested in purchasing a Glock in 40 caliber. This gun has the bones to support whatever you want to turn it into. No there isn't; people overplay free floating way too much. $1,249.99. The gun will shoot just fine. All Deals; Today; . Many ARs, when you do find them, are selling for a lot more than actual retail, and in some cases, double and even triple retail. Mar 25, 2015. While my mom might think differently, purchasing the Saint was a great choice because of its great value and many other great features. Springfield knows when to invent their own wheel, and when theres just no reason to reinvent a perfectly functioning wheel available from worthwhile others. Another nice touch that gives a tip of the hat to a more tactical . Having goats and chickens we attract lots of predators. I would chose it again. If you dont have a semiautomatic rifle with many magazines and ammunition, if you have the money, buy now! So I ordered my SA Saint from the local Bass Pro Shops- Wanted brand new with no other hands on it besides the test fire dude/dudette. I hopes that helps. The rifles are very comparable, the companies are not. My son asked me to get an AR so we could shoot on weekends, and that started my choice to get back in the game. It is accurate to 300 yards (longest range I have available) with a Hi-Lux MM2 red dot. The furniture, as already mentioned is completely different on these guns. It has a 16-inch, 4150 chrome-moly steel barrel with a 1:24"inch twist, that has been FNC treated for maximum durability and longevity. Lower chamber pressure being that its 9 inches instead of 7 inches I guess this is a real improvement for a product value added feature, Standard single stage G.I. For a firearm chambered in a rifle caliber, that is shockingly short, especially when you consider the first 2.26 inches or so is the chamber. Ruger AR-556 300 Blackout 8572. vs. Palmetto State Armory 7.5" Pistol-Length 300 Blackout 5165447855. I'm leaning toward the Ruger..I like the fact ,that with any of them, you can modify/add options easily. 600 dollars will get you one. The Saint truly hits a sweet spot with this combination, especially for first time AR-15 buyers or anyone looking for a solid rifle with the availability for personalized modifications. And, with a Democrat majority in both the House and Senate (with Kommie-lala Harris to break any tie votes) if Biden is seated then you can pretty much kiss new AR production good-bye. Ive had a few requests for doing another AR versus AR article, since I did one several years back. In the past week Im getting covered up with requests for ammo from people I dont even know. When I tried the G22 again, and with skills gained, really liked the G22 (which SIL kept) for accuracy and magazine capacity. So when I say they are all what they should be, that means Springfield Armory wrote the right build sheet. For hunting, shooting sports and home defense because I live out in the country Of my collection, I have to say that if I needed it, and it was that moment.my Saint is the first one Im pulling off the rack. The barrel is machined with a 1 turn in 7 inches rifling twist and features 1/2x28 threads on the muzzle. 500 yard shots, no problem. While its not quite Pelican level, it is certainly better than a cheap Plano, and definitely better than getting a gun in a cardboard box. This is coming from a guy who had build 5 AR15 rifles in 5.56,.224, 6.5 grendel, 6.5 creedmore, 6.8spc. Hmm, this must be how Biden is calling for America United to be united. The Saint also has a muzzle break, and comes in a nice case. So glad I did because the PMAG-30 that came with the gun felt a little weak as if it was a mag not suitable for retail sale by itself- Just a hunch I thought. After many hours spent talking with people, reading reviews, and shooting it myself, it seems as though you cant do better for the price. Form meets function and sets the Saint apart from competitors like the S&W M+P 15, which can have a bit of a plastic feel. 150 plus days of rioting in Portland Or, businesses being damaged and burned down in Minn, New York, L.A and other large cities. It ships with a Magpul brand magazine. I decided that I really like the Hera stock, and so I ended up getting the Ruger. The US military has finally figured this out, and is phasing in these mags to all branches these days. Absolutely no way I would trust my life to this weapon. I believe that, if I mounted some kind of magnifying optics on both rifles, I could have easily gotten groups down to about of an inch or less, without too much trouble. I took it out and fired it in a Glock 19, Glock 22 with a 9mm conversion barrel and a Beretta 96 with a 92 conversion barrel. Short-barreled rifle (SBR) and pistol Saint variants are also available, as is the premier Saint Edge with top-shelf components and features. And we would ask, Whats NEW about it? Dead silence. Nice rifle. Feels absolutely fantastic in the hand. The new USASOC contract gun, the URG-I, which I reviewed in these pages a while back, also made use of the mid-length. I saw a very nice Colt AR barrel destroyed with s steel cased squib .223 Wolf round. The Saint Edge models start at $1,300. So I walked into the store selling the M&P five minutes after the last one sold. Type in ( Glock Cascio) and hit enter. How do define a good AR15? I've found both of them in stock for $750 and $950 respectively. Ruger responded with its AR-556 MPR, and now SIG has followed with the Tread. They read well,and I've watched vids.. About the same price too. Its kinda like the scenario we all read about and dreadthe only person in the neighborhood with some food. The Handguard is free-floating for accuracy and the slim, 15 length provides enhanced ergonomics and support. Reloads can be loaded by anyone. The Springfield, has a mid-length gas system with a very slim handguard, that I was determined to NOT like I was wrong I loved it. If you want all Magpul furniture, BUIs. Bravo Company Manufacturing. When the Saint hit the stores I could not wait to get my hands on I own some Springfield firearms and was excited but because they had not put out such a firearm I decided to wait for a year and see the reviews and until today 2018 February 14th I heard it's still a piece of junk I live here in Nevada where you can shoot before you buy and found it few of the stores do not even allow you to shoot the saint and when I finally did it did exactly what everyone said it jammed every 15 rounds I always see these massive reviews about junk Glocks the junk vp9 and now the junk saint I believe that the people riding these reviews are either being paid by the big companies or have never actually done any real hands on reviews of the Firearms they're talking about going out to the range and shoot in your 10-round magazine does not make it an excellent or superb or reliable firearm so once again do yourself a favor drop a Sig and let me know how it goes. Ive put hundreds of rounds of 55 grain and 62 grain 5.5645 NATO ammo through it with no malfunctions. There are others as well. I am getting into the AR market and want to get the best for my money. Now, I did the rapid-fire test with one gun, and then immediately followed it with the accuracy testing, while the barrel was hot. Ruger MPR vs Springfield Saint Posted on 11/14/19 at 3:55 pm 0 0 In the market for my first AR15. Absolutely no way I would trust my life to this weapon. Can usually get one for around $600. Further, and always near the top of my list for a carbine build, is an H-weight tungsten buffer that comes standard on a Saint. I dont know, if they still do. If you havent got about 100 hours of coached time in during the past two years, I suggest getting a .22 caliber pistol and working with shooting techniques under a good coach.